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sahlah
Oct. 25th, 2012 01:11 pm (UTC)
Disposition matrix. I am speechless.
patrick_vecchio
Oct. 25th, 2012 11:13 pm (UTC)
It's a shame it takes a Brit to show us our government's dark secrets and disturbing trends. Greenwald is on my must-read list every day.
(Anonymous)
Oct. 26th, 2012 06:12 pm (UTC)
The question remains, what is the alternative? Allow the terrorists to live in "peace" to gain power and do worse than 9/11? Their governments are not going to stop them, nor are our "allies". As for the intelligence gathering, we are naive if we think foreign countries are not gathering this same kind of information about Americans as well. I would just as soon have Uncle Sam know as much about me as they do.
patrick_vecchio
Oct. 26th, 2012 10:04 pm (UTC)
Here's the answer to your first question. Go have a drink with Mr. Klein:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/oct/23/klein-drones-morning-joe

As for your point about intelligence gathering, I am not worried about foreign countries acting against me based on the intelligence they gather about me. The U.S. government, though? That's another matter entirely.

This is a government that is keeping alleged terrorists at Gitmo for an indeterminate amount of time without placing charges against them, giving them access to the alleged evidence against them, or giving them a trial. If somebody were to do this to an American citizen overseas, people across our land would be howling in outrage.

Ours is a government that makes a big deal out of terrorist "plots" it has stopped when the "plots" themselves are borderline entrapment.

This is a government that was warned about 9/11.

I should trust these guys not to misinterpret information about me?

More to the point, this intelligence gathering about every one of us spits in the face of the Fourth Amendment. If you want to sacrifice your constitutional rights for a little faux security, go ahead. But Ben Franklin had it best: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

Maybe we should convince gun owners to give up their Second Amendment rights because, after all, guns could fall into terrorists' hands.

Perhaps the First Amendment is obsolete, too, because those damned journalists insist that they have the right to publish information about things like Obama's kill list that the government would just as soon keep secret instead of letting American citizens know what the government is doing in our name. As for the kill list, do you find anything abhorrent about our killing American citizens overseas based on the president's decision alone? So much for the 5th and 14th amendments.

Sure, let's keep on killing terrorists—and whatever innocent people might be around them. Jeebus, you're condoning the killing of civilians. Their parents, their brothers, their relatives—this is the last thing that will discourage them from taking arms up against America.



Edited at 2012-10-26 10:27 pm (UTC)
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